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Nvidia releases NVLM 1.0 72B open weight model

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imjonse4 hours ago

It is a family of multimodal models based on pretrained Qwen2-72B-Instruct LLM and InterViT vision encoder. There are three variants differentiated by the way the vision tokens are used: decoder-only (like the majority of existing VLM), using cross-attention, and a hybrid. Only the first seems to be on huggingface at the moment.

Also they seem to only train on publically available data, concluding that quality is more important than scale.

keyboardsamurai5 hours ago

It has a non-commercial cc-by-nc-4.0 license, I would guess the only way to use this in production is to use Nvidias data centers to host it? Or are there other ways?

orlp4 hours ago

Not a lawyer, not legal advice, but... the legal status quo is that neural network outputs are not copyrightable. They are currently considered not made by humans nor considered a derivative work from the training material / network weights (assuming it's not regurgitating copyrighted material verbatim).

The cc-by-nc-4.0 license applies to the network weights. The only thing non-commercial about the license is that it restricts how you may reproduce the licensed material:

> reproduce and Share the Licensed Material, in whole or in part, for NonCommercial purposes only; and

As long as you are not selling the network weights themselves, nothing in the license prevents you from evaluating the neural network for commercial purposes and selling the outputs. In 'production' you will have to directly download the weights from Nvidia themselves (or another 3rd party which is distributing the network weights non-commercially in good faith) though, you can't share the network weights onto your commercial inference server from another one of your commercial deployment servers. Or at least, it gets more dicy there and may be considered commercial reproduction so better avoid it.

For similar reasons you may 3D print a CC-BY-NC model of a tool and use that tool in your commercial workshop, you may use a CC-BY-NC compiler of a language to compile commercial programs, etc.

resource_waste9 minutes ago

> the legal status quo is that neural network outputs are not copyrightable.

Can't this flip on a dime and a billion dollar company lose billions?

SonOfLilit2 hours ago

Not a lawyer, but work with lawyers a lot, and this type of rules-lawyering doesn't tend to work in the legal profession. Consult a lawyer before trying any of this.

Tepix1 hour ago

It's an interesting question indeed!

Creative Commons themselves write at https://creativecommons.org/faq/#can-i-apply-a-creative-comm... :

"Can I apply a Creative Commons license to software? We recommend against using Creative Commons licenses for software. Instead, we strongly encourage you to use one of the very good software licenses which are already available."

Of course, LLM weights aren't traditional software...

dindresto3 hours ago

First time I read this interpreation regarding CC-BY-NC model weights, are there any sources to back it?

impossiblefork1 hour ago

Even selling the network weights shouldn't matter, since there's no copyright.

The problem is if you happen to sign any agreement with NVIDIA in order to get the weights. The problem is whatever contracts you may be bound by.

jftuga59 minutes ago

How much GPU RAM would be needed to run this with just one GPU?

paulluuk42 minutes ago

I haven't tested it, but likely around 170GB, regardless of if you're using only one GPU or spreading it out over several ones.

rd422 hours ago

I think the only relevant part to note here is that this model showed improved text-only performance after multimodal training. Wonder if this translates to Llama models also ? Is it possible to extend Llama 3.1 405b with multi-modal training to create another SOTA large model ?

imjonse2 hours ago

Llama-3-V models do that, but are not published.

optimalsolver5 hours ago

Reminder that Nvidia is still the only company making any money out of the "AI revolution".

danpalmer5 hours ago

That's natural given that they mostly produce hardware several layers of abstraction distant from the end user value, companies need to buy the hardware before they can start delivering their own value. AI model training is not value by itself if there's no use-case for the model that can be charged for.

I see it playing out one of two ways. Either Nvidia are selling shovels in a gold rush, the rush will end, and the business will dry up (after they have made a lot of money!). Or AI sticks/takes off, and Nvidia are selling a commodity too far from the value, like most electronic component manufacturers, and they'll maintain significant market share but have their margins reduced to a fraction of what they were before (after they made a lot of money!).

The human value doesn't come from ML training or inference, it comes from taking a better photo. The business value comes from drafting a better email. Those companies closer to that value will likely do better in the long run, as they always have done.

Bloedcoins1 hour ago

I'm pretty sure https://www.topazlabs.com/ is also making money with the AI revolution.

Also Klarna threw out 700 people, they probably make money with AI.

And i found this article: https://www.ft.com/content/a9a192e3-bfbc-461e-a4f3-112e63d0b...

a21285 hours ago

"When there is a gold rush, sell shovels"

amelius2 hours ago

They started the gold rush.

jiggawatts1 hour ago

I'm pretty sure OpenAI started it, they just used NVIDIA shovels to dig the first mines.

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throwaway484761 hour ago
Der_Einzige4 hours ago

Wrong

Midjourney is profitable. All the acquired startups (i.e. Streamlit or MosaicML) who made millions per employee "made money" for the people who cared.

dartos2 hours ago

Midjourney is one, but the others are not. Plenty of people “made money” at Twitter, but the company is a money pit.

OP was likely talking about profitability.

FWIW I wouldn’t really count streamlit as an ai company

saagarjha2 hours ago

Twitter was (mildly) profitable.

GaggiX5 hours ago

That's not true, there are plenty of companies that make a profit, Midjourney, for example, an obvious one.

dartos2 hours ago

Are there others?

Refusing234 hours ago

i have yet to hear of anyone actually using AI for something properly

only exception im excited about is the non-main characters from video games, where a lot of the random NPCs, can now actually bring some more fun to the game.

Bloedcoins1 hour ago

I have seen plenty of very good internal AI Demos which we are adding to our products. From GenAI stuff, to image analysis, lightweight agents who answer proper questions.

I used chatgpt 3 days ago to generate a script for me. Saved me probably an hour too.

We use it also in my startup for tasks which we wouldn't even tried without ML models because the quality of old libraries were to bad. Like pdf catalog to text, image classification and segmentation.

PeterStuer2 hours ago

I run in production a system that uses LLM translation and summerization from hundreds of sources in dozens of languages. Users are extremely satisfied by the results that are far cheaper and far higher quality than what was available before

lynx234 hours ago

Vision models are a godsent for blind user. I use a vision model to sort my laundry, for instance...

And translation and grammar/spell checking is also at a level which was unthinkable before LLMs hit.

But thats it, really. The "talking machine" aspect of it is more and more uncovered as totally useless.

riffraff4 hours ago

> I use a vision model to sort my laundry

you built a robot that sorts laundry? Tell us more!

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lynx234 hours ago
tourmalinetaco2 hours ago

Claiming no one is using MLMs “properly” despite the various scientific and industrial use cases (vision systems, robots, protein folding, drug simulation, etc) while being “excited” for something as pathetically trivial as a text generator with a text-to-speech tacked on for your mass-produced open world games. Truly peak HN.

Bloedcoins1 hour ago

Its an revolution. Don't undersell this.

There was never ever any technology like LLMs close to what chatgpt and co can do in regards of understanding random human input.

My startup doesn't need to make money with it directly, but for us it increased our data quality on text and images.

I'm also quite happy to pay 10-20$ per month for random things LLMs do quite well for different use cases like creating some scripts etc.

cjtrowbridge5 hours ago

I love how they include a helpful chart that shows this model scores worse than everything else.

kibibu4 hours ago

Am I looking at the wrong table? It dominates everything on visual interpretation benchmarks.

Edit: specifically ocrbench and VQAv2

butterfly420695 hours ago

All jokes aside (and that did make me laugh) at least they're not training just to hit the benchmarks, which seem to be more meaningless as a quality indicator with each passing day.

miffy9004 hours ago

I see at a few models (3 models in MMMU) that score lower than Nvidia's. But putting that aside, they at least get points for apparent objectivity. At least they probably aren't fudging numbers.

Der_Einzige5 hours ago

It's not that bad, and I'd much rather that they be honest instead of lying like everyone else does.

GaggiX5 hours ago

Well but it actually doesn't, unless you're looking only at MMMU.